BPM not accurate?

Trick Master · Trick Member Joined: 23 Jan 2002 Location: Riverside, CA

I heard this a while ago but I wanted confirmation. Is it true that alot of the BPM's in songs are incorrect, Max300 specifically. If so could someone please explain to me how BPM is calculated or how it should be calculated? I heard it was bass hit's in a song or how many bass hit's per measure or something like that. Could someone please enlighten me

gs68 · Trick Member Joined: 06 Apr 2002 Location: on a plane

Uh...MAX 300 is 300 BPM, don't let that backbeat fool you.

But I think Bag is 130 BPM and in an 8/4 time signature.

Phrekwenci · Administrator Joined: 27 Feb 2002 Location: New York, NY

Any bpm can be halved or doubled to create the illusion of it being correct.
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Remy · Trick Member Joined: 24 Jan 2002 Location: Astoria, NY

BPM = Beats per minute. The number of beats in 60 seconds.

Has nothing to do with measures or bass or whatever.

As Phrek mentioned, though, it is possible to effectively double or half the BPM by changing what constitutes a beat.
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Rancidfish · Posted: Thu May 22, 2003 11:41 am Post subject:

MAX 300 is 300 BPM, not 150. You can tell from the percussion.

In many songs, there's a "boom" on every beat (bass drum), a "chika" on the the offbeat 1/8th, and a "bop" on every other beat.

Boom chik bop chik boom chik bop chik = 4 quarter beats.

If you listen to MAX 300, the percussion doesn't have the "chik" and is at twice the speed.

Boom bop boom bop boom bop boom bop = quarter beats.

That's why I believe that it really is at 300 BPM, not 150.

Drop Out, on the other hand, doesn't have anything making it sound like 260 BPM, so I think it's just 130 and they doubled the BPM.

I think they may have halved the BPM for bag too. (I think it's 6/8 at dotted quarter = 130 BPM.)
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rampage · Administrator Joined: 24 Jan 2002 Location: Redmond, WA

I'm pretty sure with Drop Out, it's really 130bpm and they just put in the 260bpm so that the arrows could effectively be at 2x speed.

Stiles · Trick Member Joined: 18 May 2003 Location: New Jersey

Auger282 · Trick Member Joined: 25 Apr 2002 Location: Funworld, NH

max 300 is 150.1 bpm

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SO! loves Electroplankton · Posted: Fri May 23, 2003 4:11 am Post subject:

PSM is really a 195 BPM song at 2X arrow scroll speed. Well, thats what i think.

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Mysterio · Trick Member Joined: 20 Nov 2002 Location: Aiken, SC

We'll after reading that Drop Out is 130 and not 260, I listened to it again. There is a "chika-chika" in the BG that sounds to go off 260 times a minute. The remix is 130 and sounds like it.

I am no expert, but I am good at discerning a song's BPM "by ear".

I listened to Maxx before ever seeing it played, and could tell it was faster after the frezze (320) than it is through out most of the beginning (at most 300).

My 2 cents.
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Resident Lune · Posted: Fri May 23, 2003 9:07 am Post subject:

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All I know is that Max 300 is 75 BPM. The game just fools you to think it's 300 BPM. But we all know that it is much more enjoyable at .25X when playing Trick Oni.

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sutoraiku.kuruza · Trick Member Joined: 07 Jun 2002 Location: Northridge, CA

When I first saw someone play Drop Out after hearing the MP3 of it, I was surprised at how fast the arrows were scrolling. To me the song didn't really sound that fast at all when I first heard it.
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Gogo · Trick Member Joined: 16 Mar 2003 Location: Essex, VT

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We all seem to have a pretty specific idea of why a song is or is not X BPM. Unfortunatly, the beat frequencey has little relevence in determining BPM. I can write a song in 3/8 at 100 BPM or 3/4 at 200 BPM and they'll play the same. At 100 BPM I can place a 1/4 & an 1/8 (or 3/8s), but at 200 BPM I can place a 1/2 & a 1/4 (or 3/4s) . The ONLY difference will be arrow speed.

You can't really say that is speed up or not. Sure it could have been written nice and fast, but that's the composer's choice. If a song sounds really slow but has a high BPM it might be that they are using a large number of whole notes.
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