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0. PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 12:07 pm    Post subject: I'm worried... Reply with quote

I know this topic has probably come up a million times already.
I am not a rabid DDR fanboy who can't get used to change, and I'm not an ITG hater. But as I see more and more people start to ignore DDR for ITG, I can't help but get worried that DDR may someday be replaced/forgotten. In some ways, I'm sure ITG is better. But DDR will always hold that sentimental value, the game that started it all. I can't imagine anyone would want to give it up, but it'll happen.
ITG and DDR can coexist together. But I'm just afraid DDR will be replaced. Then we'll lose the original beloved game forever.
Am I being melodramatic, or is this probable? E2.gif
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1. PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, they haven't made a new arcade DDR mix in years...
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2. PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been ignoring DDR for almost a year now. ITG1 turns one-year-old this month.

I don't see how some people can still stomach DDR Extreme. It's nearly three-years-old.
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3. PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they kept making new DDR mixes, the games co-existing would be wonderful.

In the meantime, I don't really mind most arcades replacing their DDR games with ITG games. It's not that often that I have an urge to go back and play AM-3P or PARANOiA Survivor.
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4. PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they hadn't just stopped making games, it wouldn't be losing popularity. ITG fills the void that Konami left us with. The new console versions are great and all, but there is just no innovation coming from the DDR franchise right now. Hopefully if/when they lose this lawsuit, it will create a competitive market for the genre and there will be a surge, but we can only hope.
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5. PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DDR is still pretty popular here in the southeast because of the tournies that are run every year.
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6. PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly what the last few posters said.

I think ITG will outplay DDR. Since DDR's lack of updates, ITG will overcome, and DDR will fall.
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7. PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still say that DDR will be better when they FINALLY release a new mix. However, I'm more of a home player anyways (don't have any machines close enough to me to play often anyways), so for right now, I'm still perfer DDR at home, as it tends to be more fun. ITG is for when I want a challenge.
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8. PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're both great games still. There are a lot of people who play both and can go inbetween both even if one franchise is older and or newer than the other.
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9. PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 4:24 pm    Post subject: Re: I'm worried... Reply with quote

I think DDR WILL unfortunately die in the near future. But i sure hope not. I mean, I love ITG just as much if not more than ddr, but ddr is a classic and its a freakin awsome game! frust.gif devil.gif
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10. PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you ask me people are making a huge deal of seperating the two games. when you get down to it theyre the exact same game. arrows go up, person tries to hit them. itg abviously had to have new modes, mods, etc. or no one would have bought the home version.
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11. PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmm... i still play ddr cause i am not that good enough for ITG and there will be no itg in my area untill november something and ddr is nice and easy so i'll stick with ddr, but mostly i play whatever i can get nawm SAYIN? but itg wont replace ddr, ddr is nice and easy and itg is nice and HARD, i dont know but I highly doubt that itg will replace ddr
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12. PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

of course itg wont replace ddr. thats like saying tekken will replace soul calibur. or gran turismo will replace nfs. they are both great games and will continue to live together. besides theres not enough itg machines to take over anything yet.
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13. PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well if ITG doesn't start adding known liscenses into their home version games, the home version series will fail. Alot more people bought DDR Extreme USA than ITG.
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14. PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I completely agree they need to add in licenses. My only problem with ITG is that it takes itself too seriously. DDR has some cheese factor to it, which can really make it fun. ITG is a more mature game, which makes it good for a challenge, but not for just wanting to have fun.
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15. PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DDR and ITG DO co-exist...

Just more ITG has 75% while DDR has 15% (PIU with the other 10% laugh.gif )
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16. PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IHYD.ILB wrote:
I don't see how some people can still stomach DDR Extreme. It's nearly three-years-old.


True that.

I can stomach it, because to me, it's only a year old. There will always be new people who haven't played it to death, so there will always be some interest.

But I still acknowledge the superiority of In The Groove, because I'm not a brand-name worshipper or a brainless Konami fanboy. And DDR just seems primitive, but tolerable, by comparison. But it still has a lot of great songs & great stepcharts, so I wouldn't count it out just yet.

Don't worry about DDR completely vanishing. It's inevitable that In The Groove will become primary in the world of arcade dance gaming (the only thing that could possibly change this would be a new DDR arcade mix, which is quite unlikely), in fact, ITG has already become primary in many parts of the country.

But there are so many damn DDR Extreme machines in the country, they'll never all be gome -- hell, there are still DDR USA and DDR Solo 2000 sitting around from 6 years ago. With the growing popularity of the ITG2 dedicated cabinet, which is vastly superior to the DDR cabinet, there probably won't be as many conversions of existing DDR cabinets to ITG as in the past, so a good number of those Extreme machines are probably safe.

Also, why would you be upset about this? As long as In The Groove exists, the spirit of DDR will exist, because ITG has inherited that spirit and will continue to carry it into the future.
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PedanticOmbudsman wrote:

Also, why would you be upset about this? As long as In The Groove exists, the spirit of DDR will exist, because ITG has inherited that spirit and will continue to carry it into the future.


I have to disagree. They are two very different games. ITG is designed for the hardcore players. Anybody I know who is new to arrow-smash games can't stand ITG, but loves DDR. DDR has a certain feel to it that differs much from ITG. ITG goes for the challenge, and for pleasing those who enjoy DDR with new features and equal to superior step charts. However, it still lacks the feel of DDR.
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18. PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to agree with Braintrust. ITG doesn't have the cutesy factor or fun factor that DDr has to me. ITG to me also needs to spread its music genre farther. Add some eurobeat and stuff. The hard steps just aren't fun for me on ITG. I don't care for the expert steps at all.
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19. PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DDRNemesis wrote:
I have to agree with Braintrust. ITG doesn't have the cutesy factor or fun factor that DDr has to me. ITG to me also needs to spread its music genre farther. Add some eurobeat and stuff. The hard steps just aren't fun for me on ITG. I don't care for the expert steps at all.


You can create edits then if you are not satisifed with the stepcharts. There's always that option. Also, I believe in future installments different kinds of music have been requested, so it's a possibility. Plus, the ITG franchise has had different genres of music so yeah. However, the threshold of music is mostly what most people would call dance.

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PedanticOmbudsman wrote:

Also, why would you be upset about this? As long as In The Groove exists, the spirit of DDR will exist, because ITG has inherited that spirit and will continue to carry it into the future.


I have to disagree. They are two very different games. ITG is designed for the hardcore players. Anybody I know who is new to arrow-smash games can't stand ITG, but loves DDR. DDR has a certain feel to it that differs much from ITG. ITG goes for the challenge, and for pleasing those who enjoy DDR with new features and equal to superior step charts. However, it still lacks the feel of DDR.


They are not different games. They are both arrow smashing games in which you step to the beat. If they weren't different games, the lawsuit would not have happened. ITG was created by hardcore fanatics of the DDR/Bemani genre true, but they are trying to cater to more people and the general audience as well. They have an easy doubles mode for the first installment and have added Novice, the equivalent of DDR's Beginner, in to the mix for ITG2.
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