What are the hardest songs you can do w/o bar?

Synaesthesia · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:35 am Post subject:

I am going to display the entire course of events of this whole thing, so you can see what you are ACTUALLY arguing, Cyberst0rm. I do believe you have lost sight of your main point, and are now trying to argue semantics. But I could be wrong, so let's review.

1. On page 2, post 39, "Tyrgannus" posts that Kevbo and LilQ have triple-starred Summer ~Speedy Mix~ Expert, and that this is impressive.

2. On page 3, post 43, you post a refutation to "Tyrgannus'" claim, saying that a triple star (with the bar) is unimpressive.

3. On page 4, post 61, "Baggage" asks if you can get remotely close to a triple star no-bar on Summer ~Speedy Mix~ Expert. He tells you to shut up, that "a *** on a 13 is damn amazing, bar or not."

4. On page 5, post 81, you quote "Baggage's" above post, showing you are referencing his specific claim regarding Summer. You say "I played it once an got an S+, so i think you should shut the hell up."

5. On page 5, posts 82, 85-87, the various posters (myself included) do not believe you legitimately got an S+ on Summer ~Speedy Mix~ Expert.

6. On page 5, post 92, in response to "stefank687," you insinuate that it is possible your S+ (94%) on Summer was achieved with the bar.

7. On page 5, post 93, "Kiba" (aka "Soren Kierkegaard") asks how the fact that you supposedly sightread Summer ~Speedy Mix~ Expert and achieved a 94% bears any relevance to you playing well without the bar.

8. On page 5, post 97, you quote the same quote from "stefank687" as you did in Item #6. "Stefank687" claims you cannot sightread Summer ~Speedy Mix~ and get an S+ (94%). You claim that your scores are better on songs with a lot of steam. You suggest that songs like Energizer Hard, Pandemonium Hard, and Summer ~Speedy Mix~ Expert fall into such a category, and as such, you can score well on them. As your offered proof, you provide 2 screencaptures, one of a 96.23% on Energizer Hard, and one of a 90.55% on Wanna Do Expert. You did not state whether you scored these bar or no-bar (as there is some doubt stemming from Item #6.

9. On pages 5-6, posts 98-101 express general disbelief in what you have said up until this point.

10. On page 6, post 103, you refute Item #9, saying that you scores are machine validated. In the second paragraph you post, and I quote,

Synaesthesia · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:58 am Post subject:

So let's take a look a look at what that course of events all means. At first you start to say a *** on a 13 (Summer) is unimpressive to you. That's perfectly fine, some people are hard to please. The problem arises when you tell Baggage you got 94% on Summer. No one believes it, and later (#6) you imply you got it with the bar. When you're arguing that a *** on Summer with bar isn't impressive, how does saying you got a 94% on that very song with the bar support your argument at all? In #10 you waffle on your claim that you 94% was on Summer, and say it was Pandy Hard. This is clearly contradictory to everything you had seen up until that point. ALL you had done was try to lump a 10, an 11, and a 13 in the same group, validate the set with a picture of a * on Engergizer Hard, and go on your merry way. Sorry, it doesn't work like that. In DDR, I can't take my scores on Senorita Speedy or Twinbee and say "look they all have stream. I'm good at stream, and so Max 300 is a breeze." In #11, Kiba says that even if have 94% on BOTH Summer Expert and Pandy Hard, your latter score bears no relevance to the significance of someone ***ing a 13. Then, in #14, you change your position AGAIN. You tell me you DID get a 94% on Summer Expert, contradicting yourself again as you had told everyone in #10 that your score was for Pandy Hard, not Summer Expert. After this, you choose to ignore half of Kiba's request and just point out that you had mentioned the words "pandemonium" and "hard" in succession with each other before, irrespective of grades. Of course, as per your Groovestats that I had linked in post 111, you have NO confirmed scores for Pandy or Summer on any difficulty level, so that too lends no credence to you arguments. So now you are arguing with Kiba over whether or not you said "hard" and are ignoring the 2 prominent inconsistencies that have arisen over the course of this thread.
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J. S. Mill · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:17 pm Post subject:

Well guys, this was really fun, but I guess this isn't supposed to happen. I tried to bury this thread with argument (thanks for helping Syn) but I guess it didn't work so I'll warn people now (including myself in all likelihood). Let's begin:

emibeatheboss · Basic Member Joined: 21 Mar 2006

Well, due to this thread having been brought to my attention, I would like to put a few words into it before it dies. (Which I believe is way overdue.)

To address what seemed to have been brought up extensively throughout this thread; The bar used in ITG does not require any real 'skill' at all. Playing the game, the movement of your body, the momentum and rythmn in which you move, the synchronization that goes into playing, along with many other factors is where the real skill lies. I have a pet peeve with people who believe grasping the bar has any other purpose other than for support. As many of you, I should hope know, there are many ITG tournaments that ban the bar in order for the players real skill to be brought to light. The bar is merely in place to allow for support for extremely difficult songs that force your body to move into positions that are more difficult to recover from when moving at such high speeds. When you hold to the bar it allows for you to use your arms to support your body, (which I will DEFINTIELY give you, takes a lot of strength) thus taking your weight from your feet allowing them to move faster. If you believe that holding your body up is a skill. Then in your opinion you are using a skill. But it is definitely possible to play these songs without a bar. Which is incredibly impressively considering I can't do it, but I 've seen it been done.
I just had to get that in here... since it is a major pet peeve. But other than that, I just have a criticism of this entire thread.

Grow Up.

You all establish your ethos for what? What are you really trying prove? Congratulations, your superior, now do you honestly feel superior? Not only do you do this but decide to create what can only be described as a 'gang up' against one player for him only expressing his opinion. I can side with neither considering what went on here, but I will have to express a great inadequacy and biased in the moderator. Sure you cannot control what people post and say, but order and the establishment of such is called for. This thread should have been cut long before it reached this. I almost feel it fitting to put here a quote from antigone but considering the intellectual capacity of most of the posters here, (as been demonstrated throughout this thread, and is not baseless) I feel the comprehension of such a quote would certainly surpass many. (This obviously not including Soren Kierkegaard, who told us his life story that blantantly proves that he is quite the intellectual.)

I must say the moderator should have stepped it up on 'certain' comments made throughout this thread. Such that are baseless and just plain immature. Considering they add no substance to the thread or any anything other than just a great annoyance.

Where cyberst0rm posted his 'flaming' comments, he got two points.
understandable....yet biased when it came to the others.

Such as the mocking by a JasonTheGreater who only got one point for his incredibly blantant 'flaming' comment.
Interesting.
'One point for all instances of this kind of response.'
Then should not have all the others who were expressing their 'opinions' but obviously flaming recieve the one point?

Well, I'm done, I've said my piece. I apologize to anyone if you were offended by this; but I'm not sorry if you were one of those who deserved it.

*Edited after a misspelling*[/i]

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Rancidfish · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:24 pm Post subject:

Synaesthesia · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:25 pm Post subject:

To sort of contribute, I passed Clockwok Engines the other day with a frighteningly low score. Trying to condense a week's worth of not playing into one weekend trip is hard. :\
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Subrosian · Trick Member Joined: 24 Jan 2004

What the heck at the offtopicness =|

I almost passed Summer Ex no-bar the other day but I had to grab the bar for about 6 seconds near the end. Finished with something like 84-85% bugged, probably 80ish unbugged or so. I'll try to get it no-bar another day when I'm prepared. I just got too tired near the end and thought I was gonna fail, so I used it =\

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emibeatheboss · Basic Member Joined: 21 Mar 2006

I'm very sorry I annoyed you with my spelling Jason. Funny that's basically all you mentioned about my post. GREAT addition to this topic, nice job derailing.

ANYWAYS;

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Synaesthesia · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:47 pm Post subject:

J. S. Mill · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:53 pm Post subject:

Rancidfish · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:20 pm Post subject:

Synaesthesia · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:47 pm Post subject:

IHYD.Blake · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:09 pm Post subject:

It most likely didnt go to 2400 back then.

Almost on topic: I think that the bar really doesnt make any of a difference. If you can pass a song with the bar, you could probably do it without the bar also, unless your pass with it is like a C or below. (Thats my situation, haha)

The bar doesnt affect much on FA. If you can 99 or even 100 a song with the bar, you probably wouldnt do much worse without it. All the bar really helps with is making it so you dont get as tired, and, I donno, thats about it. Thats like running with 30 pound ankle weights. Is it against the rules to run without it, because it makes you better?

In conclusion, who cares how you play an arcade game? If you do, then you should seriously look into sorting out your priorities.

On topic: I got a 99.49 on My Favourite Game expert no bar.
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Mostly_Harmless · Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 6:42 am Post subject:

Boochypa · Trick Member Joined: 26 Nov 2003 Location: VA Tech

MFG is a really fast song, guys.
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