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0. PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:45 pm    Post subject: Hardest 12 Reply with quote

There's an easiest 12 thread, but that's no fun biggrin.gif . What do you think are/is the hardest 12? The only itg2 12 ive played is !, so I dont know much about them. But it seems to me that Determinator looks freakin hard! I hope I can move that fast when I get to play it on the homeversion disgust.gif . I can do all the itg1 12s easily. But I'd have to say my hardest 12s on itg1 would be Tell and Euphoria
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1. PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My lowest score would be Determinator

then Euphoria.

Bloodrush took me a million more tries to pass than the other two though. Euphoria took one try, Determinator took two, and Bloodrush took like 8 =|

After improving though I have no problem passing any, but my Bloodrush score is way better than the others as of now.
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2. PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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3. PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

However far off in the future my passing 12s is, I'm sure my lowest score is either going to be Bloodrush or Euphoria. Probably the former, since you have to do more during the slowdown.
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4. PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bloodrush really doesn't seem toooo bad to me (not 13 worthy or anything like that I mean).... I played it recently on ITG2 themed stepmania (same timing windows, etc.) and on one of my first tries i full comboed up to the slowdown 32nds.... that seems real tricky to read, but the actual stream itself doesn't seem to hard in terms of steps, its just a reading/learning/muscle memory factor.... the step jumps after seem real killer, and the rest is just more of the same. And theres lots of turning but not a lot of candles or tough crossovers (the kind that make you step across the center of the pad crossovers). Not like I'm gonna pass it soon or anything (only have 2 12's passed at the moment) but it doesn't seem nearly as hard as Hardcore of The North to me.... that one just destroys me and my poor stamina. Determinator, also maybe just because it's easier to BS the steps on my Ignition, doesnt seem to hard to PASS (comboing/scoring is a much different story). Just real BS-able on my pad (i rarely get to go to the arcade).

So out of all of them, right now it seems HOTN is the worst for me personally, I know this will be almost universally disagreed on, but that's just how it is for me. I feel like I'm never gonna pass it, yet almost all other 12's including Determinator and Bloodrush are in my reach.
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5. PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

euphoria is easily the hardest to score on
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6. PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I say Bloodrush because I know for a fact that I'm AWFUL at scoring slow stuff. So while it may not be highly complex I would probably be lucky to get a fantastic at all in there.
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7. PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Determinator is just STUPID. It's a 12 because it's STUPID. There isn't much more to say about that stepchart.

Euphoria is legitimately difficult, probably overly so ...

Tell isn't that bad but I haven't yet been able to pass Hardcore of the North >_<
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8. PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Determinator is the only 12 that I can't pass, so I'll go with that.
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9. PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go 60's Go lololololol

Ok, seriously? here's how it goes.

Stamina: Bloodrush
Footspeed: Determinator
Technicallity: Euphoria


...and the winner is.....

...Couldn't say, haven't passed any of them yet.
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10. PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hardest 12 IMO is bloodrush.
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11. PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tyrgannus wrote:
Go 60's Go lololololol

Ok, seriously? here's how it goes.

Stamina: Bloodrush
Footspeed: Determinator
Technicallity: Euphoria


...and the winner is.....

...Couldn't say, haven't passed any of them yet.


bloodrush could fall under technicality as well thanks to them BS 32nd runs and Euphoria for foot speed as well for the 32nd trills.
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12. PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tyrgannus wrote:
Go 60's Go lololololol

Ok, seriously? here's how it goes.

Stamina: Bloodrush
Footspeed: Determinator
Technicallity: Euphoria


...and the winner is.....

...Couldn't say, haven't passed any of them yet.


i'd say HOTN is worse in the stamina department....
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13. PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i'd say HOTN is worse in the stamina department....


Not if you know how to properly conserve energy. HotN has no candle steps and pretty much no torso rotation at all. Bloodrush relentlessly twists you around, and the jump freeze part is absolutely ridiculously draining.
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14. PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Asymptote wrote:
Tyrgannus wrote:
Go 60's Go lololololol

Ok, seriously? here's how it goes.

Stamina: Bloodrush
Footspeed: Determinator
Technicallity: Euphoria


...and the winner is.....

...Couldn't say, haven't passed any of them yet.


i'd say HOTN is worse in the stamina department....


That's what I was just thinkin. I love HotN for 3 reasons
1 AWSOME song
2 AWSOME steps
3 It makes me feel like im really good cause I THINK it's the only 12 I have about a 90% on (it's actually a 89.?%, but that will change tommorow E13.gif ). All the rest I think I have less than a 90 on, but I'm not sure what my delirium and vertex scores r

But Boochypa has a point. Once you really know HotN, you know how to keep up your stamina. I dont know about Bloodrush cause Ive never played it. I can't figure out why Pandy almost kills me when I pass it, but I can practically fc HotN and I'm still ready for more! HotN has like 40 more steps than pandy!
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15. PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boochypa wrote:
Asymptote wrote:
i'd say HOTN is worse in the stamina department....


Not if you know how to properly conserve energy. HotN has no candle steps and pretty much no torso rotation at all. Bloodrush relentlessly twists you around, and the jump freeze part is absolutely ridiculously draining.


Well I guess I know nothing about properly conserving energy. In HOTN, the big long section of step jumps and jump-jump-jump-jumps drain most of my energy very early on, and then its the extended streams with 24ths in the middle is what gets me, not to mention it gets a good deal faster than Bloodrush. It may not seem like much to you or many others, but the jump from 158 to 168 is a lot for me. I'm not good at longer streams at high speed, but the the streams at 158 bpm in Bloodrush are more manageable - they only reach 9 steps and 5 steps, rinse and repeat (apart from the two extended runs, which still, at 158 I can manage)....And from what I remember, those steps don't have any candles at all (or very little). The torso turning isn't as big a deal to me. whereas HOTN throws several streams that total 24 steps at 168, including the 24's. Those are just so much worse for me. And HOTN is longer, and seems to have a lot more 16th's, and there's no real breather period (except for the siren which lasts what, 2 seconds?).... Bloodrush has the nice big long breather right when the slowdown starts, until the 32nds....

But whatever, I still haven't passed either. But it just seems to me that at the rate I'm going I can pass Bloodrush first. I just need to master the 32nds+step-jumps, and i can easily manage the rest, on a good day.
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16. PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marquistadorous wrote:
I can't figure out why Pandy almost kills me when I pass it, but I can practically fc HotN and I'm still ready for more! HotN has like 40 more steps than pandy!


Pandy = Candles, candles, candles, candles, candles, candles, rediculous step jumps, candles, rediculous step jumps, candles and candles.

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Boochypa wrote:
Asymptote wrote:
i'd say HOTN is worse in the stamina department....


Not if you know how to properly conserve energy. HotN has no candle steps and pretty much no torso rotation at all. Bloodrush relentlessly twists you around, and the jump freeze part is absolutely ridiculously draining.


QFT

bloodrush, for some reason, i just cant pass

im getting closer though
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18. PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Euphoria. Honestly, I could possibly beat Bloodrush, Determinator, Summer, and Pandemonium before I could pass Euphoria. Technically and physically, Euphoria is the closest thing to impossible on pad. How could anyone possibly move their feet fast enough to complete the 32nd trills?! I wonder if it is even possible in real life for anyone to move their feet that fast, unless they have superhuman powers maybe. Those trills are like doing 16ths on Energizer! I tried doing different things like 4x speed mods, 6x/mini combo, fudging the steps, double-jumping the 32nds by intentionally missing the third step and hitting the first and last two as if they were Sweet World-esque gallops, completing the slowdown with hands only, etc. I can barely do a set of three 32nds in VerTex and Do U Love Me, but five 32nds in a row? What the hell! Please help me! I've tried too many times at this song. disturb.gif
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19. PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dont drag your feet.

And since when are there 32nds in vertex?
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