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0. PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 9:05 am    Post subject: favorite and least fav step designer Reply with quote

i hate chris foys steps, they are just horrible and are way over repetitive, but kyle ward makes the best and funnest steps.
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1. PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Foy's are the best, MJ Emerizian's are the worst, although from what I could see of ITG2, he got a lot better.

As a sidenote: Plaguefox, did you make any stepcharts for ITG2?
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2. PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like Kyle's alot, hate Chris Foy's...
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3. PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like Kyle's the best, MJ's stuff is insane and burns my soul to play it.
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4. PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 5:08 pm    Post subject: Re: favorite and least fav step designer Reply with quote

Blink04³ wrote:
i hate chris foys steps, they are just horrible and are way over repetitive, but kyle ward makes the best and funnest steps.


Funny, I knew right after I read the topic that this would be the first comment in the post.

Kyle Ward makes great steps.

Chris Foy....doesn't...
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5. PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris Foy is both my favorite and least favorite step creator.
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6. PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

K. Ward makes a lot of challenging and original steps that go well with the song and just are a lot of fun

C. Foy made Utopia Expert

K. Ward worked hard on not making his steps overly repetive while still retaining the individual feel of each song

C. Foy made Utopia Expert

K. Ward also Pandemonium which is great ranging from step jumps, jackhammer jumps (I don't know what they're called, those weird jump patterns near the beginning), long runs tha work smoothly and all of it original and fresh.

C. Foy made Utopia Expert



Damn you C. Foy for ruining a perfectly good sounding song with a rhythm that doesn't make sense unless you're in Bizarro World!
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7. PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Foy makes fun to play steps - Hardcore of the North, Go 60 Go, Mobius,

Kyle's steps are all the same and boring (see the kyle ward thread) or don't go to the music (Hand of time??)
MJ's are different but still boring (Driving Force Classical, anyone?)
Ryan's are nicely done (Bouff)
Matt needs to make more, his don't stand out so I can't comment
same with the other step artists


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K. Ward worked hard on not making his steps overly repetive while still retaining the individual feel of each song

Not really.

Comparing Kyle to Foy is like comparing the steps of:

Disconnected to Disconnected Mobius/Hyper - the latter two are obviously more fun while the former repeats itself and is boring.

Pandemonium to Hardcore of the North - If you enjoy stepcharts like LULULUDUDUDUD over HotN's chart, sure, but I sure don't.

Vertex^2 to Euphoria - Vertex^2's chart is hated by almost everyone since it makes no sense, plus throws jumps in the most random spots (notable one: R,UR,U 8ths or something similar to that) with double steps during freezes. Same with the ending... Fun? No. Euphoria is actually fun to play, while still challenging. No stupid parts like V^2. (sidenote, i can A the song so I'm not biased cause I can't beat it)

July to Xuxa - Half of July's steps don't go to a noticable beat, and just seem to be thrown in there for the sake of having a 16th note run. Xuxa gives breaks where it seems to fit.

I could go on but I'm sleepy.
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8. PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tyrgannus wrote:
K. Ward makes a lot of challenging and original steps that go well with the song and just are a lot of fun

C. Foy made Utopia Expert

K. Ward worked hard on not making his steps overly repetive while still retaining the individual feel of each song

C. Foy made Utopia Expert

K. Ward also Pandemonium which is great ranging from step jumps, jackhammer jumps (I don't know what they're called, those weird jump patterns near the beginning), long runs tha work smoothly and all of it original and fresh.

C. Foy made Utopia Expert



Damn you C. Foy for ruining a perfectly good sounding song with a rhythm that doesn't make sense unless you're in Bizarro World!


Challenging and original? Are you serious? Half of Kyle's stepcharts have those stupid step-jump-step-jump-etc. runs (see Fly With Me, Charlene, the last 20 seconds of While Da Rekkid Spinz etc.) that usually don't follow anything, and just feel like a nuisance to do especially without the bar (they aren't hard... they're just... annoying). Utopia, repetitive? Are you serious? The song's only 2 minutes long yet it's comprised of like 5 totally different sections. The rhythm is there, if you're deaf or have no musical perception then um that's your problem. Finally, Pandemonium is a bad stepchart. The runs are there purely to add difficulty, with a lot of jumps in between that make no sense, especially the stepjumps at the beginning of the song. Also it's rather weird that Kyle made July Expert, considering he actually made the song itself and therefore knows there are half of the 16th runs don't follow anything.

By the way Kaku, we don't know who made VerTex^2 but it's probably Foy (sorry if I'm wrong) as Kyle Ward usually doesn't make such controversial charts. He doesn't really take risks with his charts and he should.
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9. PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1.) Read my previous post thoroughly. Do you see anywhere that I said Utopia Expert was repetive? I only complained about the rhythm.

2.) In fact, I've been plaing piano for over 10 years, I am in the audition jazz choir and jazz band at my school. I have played in multiple local bands and I'm working on releasing my 3rd album. You're right, I have no "musical perception"

3.) Chill out dude, This thread (like 95% of all threads of forums) is for OPINION. Your opinion is that Kyle is really repetitive and Foy makes fun unique stepcharts with his experimental style. My OPINION is that Kyle's stepcharts seem fresh and Foy's suck. Mmkay? Seriously, it's not like I attacked you or cussed you out or anything.
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10. PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ITG is better wrote:
Chris Foy is both my favorite and least favorite step creator.

Bingo, right on the money.
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11. PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kaku☆ wrote:
Vertex^2 to Euphoria - Vertex^2's chart is hated by almost everyone since it makes no sense, plus throws jumps in the most random spots (notable one: R,UR,U 8ths or something similar to that) with double steps during freezes. Same with the ending... Fun? No. Euphoria is actually fun to play, while still challenging. No stupid parts like V^2. (sidenote, i can A the song so I'm not biased cause I can't beat it)

Not to pick nits but you're comparing Foy to Foy in this particular example, unless my information from a while ago is horribly wrong.
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12. PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sometimes I think the problem is that ITG songs are just too long, near the end of most songs I'm getting bored of the repeated steps and repeated vocals. Also, I think overall, the steps just arent that great (on Hard).........there are a few I like, but another dance game has even more that I enjoy. They need to get down to the core feeling of a song and bring it out in the steps and not just have random jumping and running around. Just my opinion. E13.gif
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13. PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nekura wrote:
Kaku☆ wrote:
Vertex^2 to Euphoria - Vertex^2's chart is hated by almost everyone since it makes no sense, plus throws jumps in the most random spots (notable one: R,UR,U 8ths or something similar to that) with double steps during freezes. Same with the ending... Fun? No. Euphoria is actually fun to play, while still challenging. No stupid parts like V^2. (sidenote, i can A the song so I'm not biased cause I can't beat it)

Not to pick nits but you're comparing Foy to Foy in this particular example, unless my information from a while ago is horribly wrong.


Really? My bad then. The chart still sucks =\
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14. PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like Crispy......
The Game & Kiss Me Red.... come on!
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15. PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am surprised that no one seems to be a fan of MJ Emirzian. I find his stepcharts to have great crossovers and semi-turns, and overall an excellent flow. Driving Force Classical is a repetitive song, but Emirzian transforms it into my favorite song/stepchart combination. Mythology is excellent, too, with its pad circling without actually going a full 360 degrees. (The jumps are a bit repetitive, though.)

I don't want to dis C. Foy like everyone else for Utopia Expert, but different is not always good. I think I found the beat he attempts to follow, but it is horribly sync-ed. The rest of the song is good, though. I do like Liquid Moon, Oasis, and even Walking on Fire. HotN, DCH, and Remember December are good too. Glory to him for Bend Your Mind and Queen of Light!

K. Ward, your chain jumps pushed my pad under a table while playing Kagami (heaven forbid!). He is decent but not brilliant, although Anubis is great, July is good (the beats work, for heavens sake!) and so is Hand of Time, and Dawn is awesome. Lemmings on the Run is a lot of fun. His music is great, regardless.

M. Puls just doesn't stand out for some reason. Da Roots makes an excellent warm-up/fun romp. No 1 Nation has a decent stepchart. Do U Love me isn't bad either, though the 32nd notes anger me.

R. McKanna, what did you do again? Turn it On and Bouff are good. But really, where were you when everyone else was making charts?

Summary:
MJ Emirzian (I couldn't be the only one who likes this guy)
C. Foy (his own worst enemy)
K. Ward (mixed results, overuses chain jumps)
M. Puls (good, but not particularly striking)
R. McKanna (he designed stepcharts...are you sure?...yes, for heaven's sake!)

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R. McKanna, what did you do again? Turn it On and Bouff are good. But really, where were you when everyone else was making charts?

R. McKanna (he designed stepcharts...are you sure?...yes, for heaven's sake!)

You won't see most of Ryan's work on In the Groove 1 unless you go down to Hard.
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17. PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZetaAspect -- you aren't the only one who likes MJs charts. They're generally my favorites as well. This is a very good thing, since I play a lot of double medium, which is basically all-MJ.

Yes, they're heavy on the stream, but I find stream to be fun. Also, as I've said once or twice on ITGfreak, I love the fact that MJ's charts rarely suffer from a common problem I find in Konami's charts, especially on 4-7 foot double charts -- the boring-boring-WTFKONAMI-boring-boring, where if you survive the one little arrowpileup, you've A or high B'ed the chart. But that one little section is so much harder, it's hard to learn any new skills but "flail here and try to stay alive". MJs charts I think do an excellent job of walking a player through new turning patterns.

I can't pass anything on Expert, and not even that much on doubles Hard (singles hard, yes, doubles, no), so I can't comment on that stuff, which I know is mostly what's getting rated in threads like this one.
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18. PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Utopia Expert rythms DO MAKE SENSE!!!

It's the really hard the hear background parts.
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I'm gonna find that out. Utopia's myth shall be busted!!!!
EDIT: Or confirmed...
EDIT: Confirmed: the steps match something in the song. However, that "something" is a medley of effects, as opposed to an actual instrument line. Thus, the steps are still kind of pushing it...
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