The Case Against Roxor, Part 2

J Dogg · Administrator Joined: 16 Jan 2002 Location: Sunnyvale, CA

Our legal analyst, Lost_Sage, has once again contributed an article explaining the new developments in the Konami v Roxor case. He explains a lot of the legal terminology in the case and tells us what to expect in the future.
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snickers1127â¶â · Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 10:00 am Post subject:

Thanx for the explanation!

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gay dentist · Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 10:13 am Post subject:

This is getting old...
Ohh second post!!!

MrChuckles · Trick Member Joined: 05 Sep 2003 Location: Almost Heaven

From the quick glancing I've done at the documents and the analysis, Roxor seems to have a fairly decent case.
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PedanticOmbudsman · Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 10:36 am Post subject:

I think it's very biased and unfair to call this series of articles "The Case Against RoXoR". Could it not have been called "Konami's Lawsuit Against RoXoR" or "Konami vs RoXoR Explained" or something? The current title makes it seem like the author is siding with Konami and arguing their case for them, even if that's not the impression one gets from the article itself.

Also, don't forget that now that Konami has been countersued, it could just as easily be called "The Case Against Konami" instead, or, to be comprehensive, "Konami's Case Against RoXoR and RoXoR's Case Against Konami" or "Konami and RoXoR's Respective Cases Against Each Other". Or just "Konami vs RoXoR vs Konami" or something.

DDRFreak (despite the name) often seems to want to be taken seriously as a reputable, unbiased news source covering the entire dance-gaming genre (regardless who what companies the games come from), which is good. But "taking sides" by publishing biased-sounding article titles subverts the credibility it's gained as a neutral source and ultimately might lead many to conclude (wrongly, I hope) that this is just a Konami fanboy site.
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J Dogg · Administrator Joined: 16 Jan 2002 Location: Sunnyvale, CA

Yeehaw McKickass · Contributor Joined: 06 Oct 2002 Location: Chicago Area

We should all be glad we have Lost_Sage around to bring all these documents down to a common level and explain why things are going the way they're going with this case.

Plus us Shane's are sexy beasts when it comes to writing stuff
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Thomas Hobbes · Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 7:54 pm Post subject:

DragonWolf_ · Trick Member Joined: 30 Mar 2005

Thanks a lot for what you are doing.

I hope to see more of these in the future.

PBoy227 · Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 10:26 pm Post subject:

Thank you!!!

Now we don't have to worry (to much) about people saying "Roxor is so stupid!!! Why are they doing this when they know they're gonna lose? "
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ãã©ã¤ã¢ã³ · Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 4:30 am Post subject:

Thanks for the translation!

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Kimone tf · Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 7:26 am Post subject:

Thanks for that. Very informative and not bias at all. (which is good because atm we still don't know who's in the wrong, strictly speaking, until the legal system sorts that out for us)

NOW! I'd like to see a similar run down of the Konami vs Andamiro case and how these two cases differ in allegations. That'd be interesting...

Also, if this gets all the way to the Jury making a decision is there any way it can be taken further or appealed?

PedanticOmbudsman · Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 7:42 am Post subject:

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PedanticOmbudsman · Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 8:51 am Post subject:

Way to completely ignore the arguments, son. I'm proud of you. You could have a future in politics.
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Cutriss · Staff Member Joined: 24 Jan 2002

Edible Bondage Tape · Trick Member Joined: 26 Jan 2002 Location: Kerri

all things concidered he is deffenatly living up to his user name
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Yeehaw McKickass · Contributor Joined: 06 Oct 2002 Location: Chicago Area

Lost_Sage · Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:27 pm Post subject:

Pedantic:

I appreciate your opinion. But the mods mostly have it right -- the title is completely based on who is plaintiff and who is defendant in this case, and, frankly, nothing more.

Hopefully the actual content of the article and its predecessor proves that I'm not in a hurry to dismiss one side or the other. To do so would be a disservice to my legal education. Essentially, J Dogg had asked to me explain what's going on procedurally in the case - the mechanics of the litigation process, and the fundamentals about how claims are brought.

Again, in keeping with that theme, the title reflects the mechanics of the lawsuit who sued whom first. You learn very quickly in civil procedure that all sorts of fun things like counterclaims and crossclaims quickly turn that seemingly simply perspective of the case upside down. Presumably, that's exactly where I come in. So I believe the comparison to other "The Case Against" works is a little simplistic in that regard.

All longhand for saying don't judge a book by its cover -- or here, an article, by its title. If readers want to assume, dismiss, or otherwise prejudge the content of the article simply by looking at the headlines, well, folks, this is America -- your choice. You can read USA Today -- a journalistic publication entirely premised on that shortcut -- if that's your decision. :<)

Title frenzy is a reader phenomenon with which all authors eventually, to keep themselves sane, must learn to live. (I could tell you how many times as a college journalist my title ideas were nixed, but we don't have all night to count.) People will read whatever intent they want to into the title without seriously examining the content -- and sadly, analogous reasoning justifies far worse prejudice in this world.
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