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VxJasonxV
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20.  Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 12:54 am Post subject: |
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It's all good, I'm just too much of a fanboy  .
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not inzuma
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| 21. Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:51 am Post subject: |
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for those of you that havent seen them, or want to know what they look like, heres a pic:
(keep in mind its from the 8 on the Break beta machine, IIRC. so they might have been changed, but probably not much) |
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Original Z
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| 22. Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:44 am Post subject: |
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I have a question regarding these rolls.
When you hit them, does each step count as a Fantastic, or is it some sort of separate grading? I think things may be shifted if you score points depending on how many you hit (unless it caps at a certain point) and could seriously screw up competition.
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Rancidfish
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| 23. Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:49 am Post subject: |
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| Original Z wrote: | I have a question regarding these rolls.
When you hit them, does each step count as a Fantastic, or is it some sort of separate grading? I think things may be shifted if you score points depending on how many you hit (unless it caps at a certain point) and could seriously screw up competition. |
They're graded as if they were holds. The steps starting the rolls are graded as normal, from fantastic down to miss. However, the rest of the roll is either "yeah" or "bad" like a normal hold. If you keep stepping fast enough, you get full credit. If you fail to step quickly enough at any point, the roll goes dark and you get no credit for the roll, though you'll still get normal credit for the initial step.
Thus, in terms of grading, two steps with rolls are no more valuable than two steps with holds.
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| 24. Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 5:04 am Post subject: |
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| Rancidfish wrote: | They're graded as if they were holds. The steps starting the rolls are graded as normal, from fantastic down to miss. However, the rest of the roll is either "yeah" or "bad" like a normal hold. If you keep stepping fast enough, you get full credit. If you fail to step quickly enough at any point, the roll goes dark and you get no credit for the roll, though you'll still get normal credit for the initial step.
Thus, in terms of grading, two steps with rolls are no more valuable than two steps with holds. |
Which is precisely the reason why I dislike them. It irks me having to spend significant quantities of stamina for what amounts to one or two steps' worth of points. As an extreme example - the long roll in Robotix. If I'm playing a marathon course with Robotix in it, I just step off the roll and get some rest time rather than bother with it ... it's just not worth it. And honestly, if you want someone to mimic with a drum roll, why not just use a sixteenth run (or whatever rhythm floats your boat?) |
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Mit Man
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| 25. Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:34 am Post subject: |
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Wow, those look like bad news. I absolutely hate stuff like that, rapid hitting of the same arrows (usually when it's only one arrow). My legs lock up often on those. And every .3 seconds? That's crazy. I'd like to see a video of someone doing one to see if there's any way I could do them. So long as they keep it with two different arrows doing the roll at the same time I might be fine, but if they ever do it with just one arrow, I'd be absolutely screwed.
And maybe every .3 seconds isn't as bad as it sounds.
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cfusionpm
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| 26. Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:45 am Post subject: |
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so how many songs have these rediculous things?
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diddrstrait
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| 27. Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:55 am Post subject: |
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| Mit Man wrote: | Wow, those look like bad news. I absolutely hate stuff like that, rapid hitting of the same arrows (usually when it's only one arrow). My legs lock up often on those. And every .3 seconds? That's crazy. I'd like to see a video of someone doing one to see if there's any way I could do them. So long as they keep it with two different arrows doing the roll at the same time I might be fine, but if they ever do it with just one arrow, I'd be absolutely screwed.
And maybe every .3 seconds isn't as bad as it sounds. |
every .3 seconds is like a quarternote at 200bpm (pretty slow actually) and they are always used in pairs, so you won't have to worry about doing it with one leg. |
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| 28. Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 11:36 am Post subject: |
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| Seriously, it's not even fast. It's like quarter notes on Afronova. |
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Original Z
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| 29. Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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So, it's essentially like playing freezes in DDR where you step on and off to hold your freeze (useful for pads that have difficulty registering holds). Not so bad then.
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| 30. Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:07 am Post subject: |
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ah so they're like QUARTER notes at 200bpm... I was thinking they're like EIGHTH notes at 200bpm.. while I could deal with eigths, quarters are not threatening at all...
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VxJasonxV
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| 31. Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:12 am Post subject: |
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| cfusionpm wrote: | | so how many songs have these rediculous things? |
Very few. | Mit Man wrote: | Wow, those look like bad news. I absolutely hate stuff like that, rapid hitting of the same arrows (usually when it's only one arrow). My legs lock up often on those. And every .3 seconds? That's crazy. I'd like to see a video of someone doing one to see if there's any way I could do them. So long as they keep it with two different arrows doing the roll at the same time I might be fine, but if they ever do it with just one arrow, I'd be absolutely screwed.
And maybe every .3 seconds isn't as bad as it sounds. |
There are no freeze rolls on only a single arrow.
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| 32. Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| VxJasonxV wrote: | | There are no freeze rolls on only a single arrow. |
Thank you, Roxor!!!
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mtwieg
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| 33. Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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quarter notes at 200 bpm sounds too slow to be right...
I'm guessing you need to hit EACH rolling arrow every 0.3s, so each foot would hit that fast. Therefore, you could either do quarternote jumps at 200 bpm or eighth note streams at 200 bpm. Did anybody catch all that? 
Oh, and I've only played robotix on SM, so there are no freeze rolls. Im assuming the one you're talking about is during the "1337 bpm" section, on the left and right arrows. |
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| 34. Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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ok, let's learn subdivision...
if one foot is moving at q-note=200, and the other foot is moving at the same speed but alternating, then the rhythm you are doing BETWEEN BOTH FEET is eighthnotes at 200. Each foot is only doing quarternotes, but the way they are usually set up, your feet will likely be alternating (I suppose in a few songs you could treat them as quarternote @ 200bpm jumps). |
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| 35. Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Syncognition wrote: | ok, let's learn subdivision...
if one foot is moving at q-note=200, and the other foot is moving at the same speed but alternating, then the rhythm you are doing BETWEEN BOTH FEET is eighthnotes at 200. Each foot is only doing quarternotes, but the way they are usually set up, your feet will likely be alternating (I suppose in a few songs you could treat them as quarternote @ 200bpm jumps). |
Okay... see... it's when you say stuff like that that makes some people say... OMGWTFBBQ!?
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cfusionpm
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| 36. Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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eh, doesnt sound that bad. i'd like to see how these are used in the context of a stepchart.
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| 37. Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 4:38 am Post subject: |
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| Syncognition wrote: | ok, let's learn subdivision...
if one foot is moving at q-note=200, and the other foot is moving at the same speed but alternating, then the rhythm you are doing BETWEEN BOTH FEET is eighthnotes at 200. Each foot is only doing quarternotes, but the way they are usually set up, your feet will likely be alternating (I suppose in a few songs you could treat them as quarternote @ 200bpm jumps). |
exactly what I said, only with more clarity. |
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| 38. Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 4:44 am Post subject: |
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| VxJasonxV wrote: | | There are no freeze rolls on only a single arrow. |
But...can there be? Maybe that's how ITG2 has it set up, but could you do it anyway in an edit?
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VxJasonxV
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| 39. Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 7:40 am Post subject: |
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This is true. An edit could have a single 3 -> 2 in one column, so I'll rephrase it.
All current seen/known charts do not have rolls on one arrows, only two.
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