Creating arcade difficulty with stepmania.

MadRhetoric · Trick Member Joined: 03 Oct 2003

As we all know, it's much easier to pass songs on the home version of songs then it is at the arcade. I'm wondering if anyone knows settings for stepmania/PS2 games that will accurately recreate the arcade difficulty. Thanks.

Knee-ill · Trick Member Joined: 10 Jan 2004

well I'm not sure if home is easier but...
When choosing a song hold the button you press to play, you will get options and one is judge difficulty. I don't think anyone has the specific number though.
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Apparently Nothing · Trick Member Joined: 27 Nov 2003 Location: Charlotte, NC

That's SM, but it's not in the Song Options menu like he said. It's in the Operator Menu (scroll lock by default) under Machine Options. Judge difficulty 6 will give you an arcade accurate Perfect window, but the Great, Good, and Boo windows will be way off (too hard). You can change each window individually by looking in the Stepmania.ini file, but I don't know what the exact values for the windows are, except the Perfect window, which is 35 ms.
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!!!! · Trick Member Joined: 28 Sep 2003 Location: in a haus lolo!

If anyone knows the values of the rest of the windows, please post them. I've been trying to make SM harder for a while, myself.
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Dark Luke · Basic Member Joined: 31 Jan 2004

Back when ddrmaniax's boards were up, someone posted the following timing values requesting SM to have these correct timing windows from DDR extreme:

JudgeWindowAttackSeconds=0.120000 (assumed to be same as "good")
JudgeWindowBooSeconds=0.150000
JudgeWindowGoodSeconds=0.120000
JudgeWindowGreatSeconds=0.090000 (same as SM's defaults)
JudgeWindowMarvelousSeconds=0.015000
JudgeWindowMineSeconds=0.120000 (assumed to have "good"'s window)
JudgeWindowOKSeconds=0.250000 (just an assumption)
JudgeWindowPerfectSeconds=0.030000 (this would be around judge difficulty 5 2/3)

fmuthpaintball · Trick Member Joined: 16 Dec 2003 Location: frankenmuth

It also depends on what type of pad you have.
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Prizm · Trick Member Joined: 07 Oct 2003 Location: Australia

Hey Dark Luke, thanks for those timings - StepMania does feel a lot more like the arcade now. It would be cool if StepMania had timing profiles that you could choose - like Extreme settings or Home settings.

Prizm

Dark Luke · Basic Member Joined: 31 Jan 2004

well you should thank that guy from ddrmaniax boards that gave me the timing values instead

I only helped that guy on how to implement his arcade timing windows

-joe- · Trick Member Joined: 08 Jan 2003 Location: lv

Dont mean to bump old threads, but which file in the stepmania directory has the timing values where i can change them to the numbers given in this thread?

Thanks
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Tashi · Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 8:51 pm Post subject:

stepmania.ini located in <where ever you installed>/stepmania cvs/data

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Slowpoke · Trick Member Joined: 28 Oct 2003

I know this topic is old, but I have a follow-up question that I didn't see answered anyplace.

Once you edit the ini file to the values specified above, what should the judge difficulty be set to?

Jebus · Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 8:53 am Post subject:

Slowpoke · Trick Member Joined: 28 Oct 2003

That doesn't really make sense. Editing the ini file changes the base timing settings... the judge difficulty setting will still apply modifiers to whatever values are in there.

SLdK · Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 5:26 pm Post subject:

Would these values still work even if the value names don't match the ones in the .INI? I have the latest version if it matters.
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Misirlou · Basic Member Joined: 28 Jun 2004

Judge difficulty should be set to 4.

DJX · Trick Member Joined: 30 Jun 2003 Location: CA

You bumped a thread that was two months old. And judge difficulty 4 is NOWHERE near the difficulty of the arcade (which was the topic of the thread).
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cyberey66 · Trick Member Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Location: NJ

I'm glad he bumped it, I was just going to post this question because searching just showed posts on how sm is easier that dwi or some worthless information. It should be in the FAQ.

Now I think I have to upgrade my sm, my version doesnt have all these timing options in the ini file.

BAZOOKABEN · Trick Member Joined: 04 Sep 2003 Location: Boone, (ASU)

I'm still confused (doesn't seem there's been a definite answer), after you set the individual timing windows in the ini file, does the judge difficulty in the options menu affect them at all, and if so, what should I set it at?
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