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MJEmirzian
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0.  Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 6:38 pm Post subject: Post your suggestions for a new bemanisims site.. |
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I thought since the site was down and being recreated we could put together some suggestions that the site maintainers could take a look at and implement if the ideas sounded good enough.
1. Only host custom DWIs, don't host anything official (keep away leeches).. change the categorization into "Bemani (and Bemani remixes)" and "Other"
2. Add on to the ratings system so that you can vote for an author and leave a comment. Have a top ten DWI authors on the front page that you can click on to see their DWIs.
3. Make it so authors can only upload a total of 5 DWIs per day.
4. Give registered members an option to vote a terrible/ripped off DWI to be trashed.. if it reaches a certain number of votes, the administrator will be notified (or something like that)
5. If making a poor vote, (6 or below) must leave a comment.. and authors can't vote their own work
Matthew
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G-Dragon
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| 1. Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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AWESOME THREAD IDEA. 
1. Do NOT allow the creator of the sim file to vote for his own work.. if possible.. its really silly.
2. A MESSAGE BOARD  (Make an Anti Arch0wl thread and sticky it!... I'm joking of course  )
3. DWI/SM files that have been made with no real effort should be terminated.. this cant be repeated enough.
That's about it.
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Vic Viper
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| 2. Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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Sound like a Newgrounds with DWI/SM files, instead of Flash.
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G-Dragon
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| 3. Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Vic Viper wrote: | | Sound like a Newgrounds with DWI/SM files, instead of Flash. |
Except its not the slowest site in the universe.
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Christian
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| 4. Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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::points to previous posts::
you said just about all the right suggestions. I hope its back up soon 
Another good idea would be to have d/l sections, like for DDR Arcade songs, IIDX songs, and then maybe Licensed songs. That would be convenient as well. |
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Poochy
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| 5. Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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For one thing, it would need to have a seperate section for spliced DDR songs. BemaniSims had way too many of them before the server crash.
I'm thinking there should be a few categories sections:
Spliced DDR songs - Self-explanatory.
From other Bemani - Songs from other Bemani that don't have official steps.
Hard DWI/SMs - Anything that deserves to be an 11-footer or higher.
Other - Stuff that doesn't completely fit into a category.
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Christian
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| 6. Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Dude, thats what I just said in my previous post o_O |
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k//eternal
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| 7. Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 7:39 am Post subject: |
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There's no problem with licensed songs, as long as they don't come with mp3s... Besides, .dwi files don't eat too many resources when people download them, considering they're so small... right?
I would post suggestions but I never actually saw the site when it was up...
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proficiator
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| 8. Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2003 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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before it went out, didn't bemanisims institute some sort of reporting bad dwi's system? i thought that was a great idea in weeding out the really really worthless dwi's....
I agree with MJErmizan in that the official ones shouldn't be on there..I thought they really clogged things up  |
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keith
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| 9. Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 5:46 am Post subject: Re: Post your suggestions for a new bemanisims site.. |
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| MJEmirzian wrote: | | 1. Only host custom DWIs, don't host anything official (keep away leeches).. change the categorization into "Bemani (and Bemani remixes)" and "Other" |
With bemanisims.com and bemanistyle.com merging we are going to be hosting official files. Only the bemanisims/bemanistyle staff is going to be able to upload the official steps. Everything else will be original steps
| Quote: | | 2. Add on to the ratings system so that you can vote for an author and leave a comment. Have a top ten DWI authors on the front page that you can click on to see their DWIs. |
This is something that I wanted to do before but never had the time to do. It will probably be done in the next version
| Quote: | | 3. Make it so authors can only upload a total of 5 DWIs per day. |
I'll have to think about this and talk to a lot of people.
| Quote: | | 4. Give registered members an option to vote a terrible/ripped off DWI to be trashed.. if it reaches a certain number of votes, the administrator will be notified (or something like that) |
I have thought of a new voting system (read bemanisims.com). I might have two voting systems, I'm really not sure
| Quote: | | 5. If making a poor vote, (6 or below) must leave a comment.. and authors can't vote their own work |
See above
| Quote: | | 2. A MESSAGE BOARD (Make an Anti Arch0wl thread and sticky it!... I'm joking of course ) |
Since we're merging with bemanistyle, there will be a forum. The forum and the sims part of the site will be combined
| Quote: | | DWI/SM files that have been made with no real effort should be terminated.. this cant be repeated enough. |
I am planning on hiring a pretty large moderating staff. They will be voting on the sims, deleting sims, deleting comments, etc. For more info visit www.bemanisims.com
| Quote: | | Another good idea would be to have d/l sections, like for DDR Arcade songs, IIDX songs, and then maybe Licensed songs. |
I tried to do this before in an update but it didn't work out well, it will probably be done in the next version.
| Quote: | For one thing, it would need to have a seperate section for spliced DDR songs. BemaniSims had way too many of them before the server crash.
I'm thinking there should be a few categories sections:
Spliced DDR songs - Self-explanatory.
From other Bemani - Songs from other Bemani that don't have official steps.
Hard DWI/SMs - Anything that deserves to be an 11-footer or higher.
Other - Stuff that doesn't completely fit into a category. |
I might possibly do this.
| Quote: | | before it went out, didn't bemanisims institute some sort of reporting bad dwi's system? i thought that was a great idea in weeding out the really really worthless dwi's.... |
That was something that I wanted to add but was didn't have to to. It will be added in the next version.
Thanks for all the feedback on what you guys want. Keep it coming.
Keith
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G-Dragon
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| 10. Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 10:09 am Post subject: |
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You guys have to remember that some people thrive on bad DWI's.
Who voted Strike On in the first bracket of the tournamix? Its got more votes than about 5 songs, didn't it? The simfile was probably made in 10 minutes.
Click Clock wood gets insane amounts of praise.. even the creator said it was buttocks.
Examples like this. I guess for a simfile to be deleted, it would have to be immesurably bad?
Or if a good comment is given to a hideous stepfile, the person can be deleted... >8D
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MJEmirzian
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| 11. Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 10:53 am Post subject: |
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How about instead of having a front page with new DWIs, you can sort the front page by author.
Have a category for New Authors (1-5 songs total), Regular Contributors (20-something) up to Really Big Freaks (100+ songs).. whenever one of those authors uploads a new song, they get their name and the title of their new dwi on the front page, but each column is separate so that newbies can't flush out the serious authors who are trying to upload quality charts. Anyone attempting to spam a bunch of terrible charts will of course be deleted.
Often people will also upload DWIs that aren't theirs (even though they give credit to the author).. I don't know how you want to deal with this.
Matthew |
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keith
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| 12. Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 11:06 am Post subject: |
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| MJEmirzian wrote: | How about instead of having a front page with new DWIs, you can sort the front page by author.
Have a category for New Authors (1-5 songs total), Regular Contributors (20-something) up to Really Big Freaks (100+ songs).. whenever one of those authors uploads a new song, they get their name and the title of their new dwi on the front page, but each column is separate so that newbies can't flush out the serious authors who are trying to upload quality charts. Anyone attempting to spam a bunch of terrible charts will of course be deleted.
Often people will also upload DWIs that aren't theirs (even though they give credit to the author).. I don't know how you want to deal with this.
Matthew |
Thanks for the ideas about the authors Matthew, it might be something that I might do. I haven't really decided how I want to do the front page yet but I'll consider your idea.
As far as people uploading other DWIs: With the old site, I really didn't care. I think with the new site I am only going to allow the author of the simfile to upload there own. I had complaints from people every once in a while about others upload their sims. This way I wont have to worry about it. If some one doesn't want there sims on the site then they don't have to. I hope we don't have anyone like that because I would like bemanisims to become the most complete original simfile database.
Keith
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k//eternal
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| 13. Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 11:34 am Post subject: |
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Is there any way to have a "difficulty pentagon" (there's probably a term for that thing, but you know what I'm talking about) generate automatically from each DWI so people can see what they're up against before they download? It's automatically generated in DDR sims, so it should be possible to make a script that does the same thing...
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Phrekwenci
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| 14. Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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| ::X:: wrote: | | Is there any way to have a "difficulty pentagon" (there's probably a term for that thing, but you know what I'm talking about) generate automatically from each DWI so people can see what they're up against before they download? It's automatically generated in DDR sims, so it should be possible to make a script that does the same thing... |
Groove Meter... and that's a really good idea.
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Udderdude
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| 15. Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Phrekwenci wrote: | | ::X:: wrote: | | Is there any way to have a "difficulty pentagon" (there's probably a term for that thing, but you know what I'm talking about) generate automatically from each DWI so people can see what they're up against before they download? It's automatically generated in DDR sims, so it should be possible to make a script that does the same thing... |
Groove Meter... and that's a really good idea. |
Actually it's not. It would take alot of bandwidth to send the image and the CPU time to generate it would be large, too. It would take up even more CPU time to find the DWI/SM file in the .ZIP and uncompress it. And then there's the issue of multiple step charts .. do you want it to generate groovedars for every step chart in the DWI? That would take even more CPU time/bandwidth. Let's not forget the chance of it bugging up and crashing the server. 
This might be feaseable if everyone had cable modems and Keith had a behemoth corporate network server for bemanisims. Unfortunately this isn't the case  |
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k//eternal
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| 16. Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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Not necessarily. It could be organized so that each song would have a seperate download page (showing the Groove Meter) and there would be a main .dwi page where it just shows the name of the song and difficulty levels for each version linking to the download pages. Then you wouldn't need to generate Groove Meters for all the songs at the same time, and that would save some bandwidth.
But really, you don't need a particularly fancy Groove Meter... as long as it's functional. The script wouldn't have to be too complex, I imagine... in DWI the pentagon generates very rapidly, which leads me to believe it's a fairly simple process...
And as for the .zip file problem... it could be made so that you download each component seperately. Might make it more annoying for downloaders, but then that'd make them think twice about showing up and leeching all the songs, eating ridiculous amounts of bandwidth in the process.
Well, it's up to him, really... if he can do it, then that'd be nice, if not, oh well...
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| 17. Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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Double-post, argh!
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Udderdude
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| 18. Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| ::X:: wrote: | Not necessarily. It could be organized so that each song would have a seperate download page (showing the Groove Meter) and there would be a main .dwi page where it just shows the name of the song and difficulty levels for each version linking to the download pages. Then you wouldn't need to generate Groove Meters for all the songs at the same time, and that would save some bandwidth.
But really, you don't need a particularly fancy Groove Meter... as long as it's functional. The script wouldn't have to be too complex, I imagine... in DWI the pentagon generates very rapidly, which leads me to believe it's a fairly simple process...
And as for the .zip file problem... it could be made so that you download each component seperately. Might make it more annoying for downloaders, but then that'd make them think twice about showing up and leeching all the songs, eating ridiculous amounts of bandwidth in the process.
Well, it's up to him, really... if he can do it, then that'd be nice, if not, oh well... |
The only way I can see it working is if the groovedar image is generated when the DWI is uploaded, and is saved somewhere to be re-used. It would still take up extra bandwidth, as well as extra file space, but it wouldn't need to be generated every page hit. It could be set so you have to click on a link to see the groovedar image, reducing bandwidth even more (not everyone will want to see the groovedar).
Your idea about splitting the files up is rediculous, of course The groovedar does take some time to calculate .. it's not much but when you've got hundreds of people looking at the DWI pages it adds up quickly. |
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k//eternal
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| 19. Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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Would hundreds of people be looking at the same DWI at the same time, though?
Well... maybe... I guess you have a point ^_-;
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