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20. PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2003 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remy wrote:
BPM = Beats per minute. The number of beats in 60 seconds.

Has nothing to do with measures or bass or whatever.

As Phrek mentioned, though, it is possible to effectively double or half the BPM by changing what constitutes a beat.


I agree with Remy on this, his points that are made are relevant to the game and what BPM really is.
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21. PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2003 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought this topic would be about Insertion. It's 140-220 bpm on 5th mix but, errr, something else on Max2. Make up your mind, hey!
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22. PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2003 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

StrykecruZer0(isuckatddr) wrote:
When I first saw someone play Drop Out after hearing the MP3 of it, I was surprised at how fast the arrows were scrolling. To me the song didn't really sound that fast at all when I first heard it.


its not sopposed to
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23. PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2003 9:43 am    Post subject: Re: ^_^;;; Reply with quote

Gogo wrote:
We all seem to have a pretty specific idea of why a song is or is not X BPM. Unfortunatly, the beat frequencey has little relevence in determining BPM. I can write a song in 3/8 at 100 BPM or 3/4 at 200 BPM and they'll play the same. At 100 BPM I can place a 1/4 & an 1/8 (or 3/8s), but at 200 BPM I can place a 1/2 & a 1/4 (or 3/4s) . The ONLY difference will be arrow speed.

You can't really say that is speed up or not. Sure it could have been written nice and fast, but that's the composer's choice. If a song sounds really slow but has a high BPM it might be that they are using a large number of whole notes.
Well, another thing to consider is that it doesn't matter what time signature you put it in. You can use any type of note in the time signature. i.e. For the same song, you could write "quarter note = 200 BPM" or "whole note = 50 BPM," and it would be played at the same speed. Burning Heat! is most likely written in 6/8 or 12/8 time, with the signature "dotted quarter = 166 BPM." (dotted quarter = 1.5x quarter note, or 3/8ths).

All that I've been saying about percussion versus tempo is what SOUNDS like the correct tempo. They could have put Be In My Paridise at 252 BPM, yes, but it the way the backbeat and percussion are set up it sounds like it's at 63 BPM.
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24. PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2003 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well on MaxX unlimited the bpm changes unknowingly! I just looked at it now (on stepmania edit thing it says the bpm as it goes along) and at the long freeze arrow bits (on basic or whatever) it goes from 300 to 280 back to 300 ....I didn't know this until I looked now....
Legend of max is REALLY weird....at the long freeze it speeds up to 444 down to 333 222 111 stop 83 happy.gif

and while I'm here I might as well ask whats the rhythm to Holic? I'm so confused by it! is it 7 and a half beats per bar? is it 6 beats per bar? is it 4 and theres nothing wrong with it?...its just my brain not coping with it? WHAT IS IT!!!
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25. PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2003 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It starts out in 7/8. Basically three and one half beats per bar.
Count: 1 2 3 4-1 2 3 4-1 2 3 4-1... where "4-" is only one 1/8th note long, rather than one quarter.

After that, during the guitar portion, it switches to 7/4, which isn't too tough.
I count: 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 1... etc.

And then, for the ending, it switches to 4/4, so once you hit the "jump... jump... jump jump... jump... jump" you're home free.
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26. PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2003 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Auger282 wrote:
max 300 is 150.1 bpm


Orion.78 (Civilization Mix) is 200.1 bpm, but that's the truth laugh.gif
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27. PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2003 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no one BPM to assign Max300 -- it all depends on the listener. When I listen to it, I feel it's more like 150 bpm but can see why others consider it 300 bpm.

Drop Out, however, is clearly a 130 bpm song.
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28. PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2003 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

if the beat of the song has 1/8th beats to it then it's measured at x2, such as MaxX Unlimited
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29. PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2003 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I swear, Orion.78 (Civilization Mix) can't be 200 BPM. I've played several songs that are also 200 BPM, and it just seems to be slightly faster.
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30. PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2003 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah it is faster then 200 bpm, b/c it's 200.1 laugh.gif
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31. PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2003 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Songs with irregular time sigs:
Cutie Chaser (both mixes) - 3/4
R5 (from IIDX) - 6/4 -> 2/4 (1 measure) -> 6/4 -> 4/4
R5 Another - 6/4 -> 2/4 (1 measure) -> 6/4 (1 measure) -> 36/4 (HOLY SHIT!) (6/7 of drumroll) -> 6/4 (1/7 of drumroll) -> 6/4 -> 4/4
The Least 100 sec: Mostly 4/4, but in 2 measures it's 3/4
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32. PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2003 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This game has gotten complicated laugh.gif this looks more like music class then DDR.
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33. PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2003 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with the Drop Out thing. The Legend of Max sounds right cause I can hear a constant beat going in the background. When I first heard Orion (Civilization Mix) it didn't sound 200 to me at all, i thought it to be the same speed as Ameuro.

I agree, this whole time signature thing with measures and stuff is making my head hurt blink.gif
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34. PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2003 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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35. PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2003 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would someone consider Max 300 150 or even 75 what beat are the listening too. As for me I still feel the BPM is either determined by bass hits or how many times something or things classified as a beat are played.
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36. PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2003 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I first played Drop Out, I didn't bother to read the BPM, and I thought it was a 130 BPM song.

MAX 300, on the other hand, definitely sounded like 300 BPM. No question about it.
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37. PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2003 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Holic is a stupid b!tch of a song laugh.gif but seriously the rhythm isn't that hard to cope with, just pisses me off.
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38. PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2003 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well at my arcade Sakura says it goes up to 300 BPM but a lot of people say it goes to 320 BPM..................what one is it E19.gif

and as for The Legend of Max it doesn't even have a BPM on my machine! It just flickers the numbers around and never stays in one place! Is this supposed to happen? riiight.gif

I'm thinking my arcade has a bootleg disc...............awww............. E2.gif
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39. PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2003 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well at my arcade Sakura says it goes up to 300 BPM but a lot of people say it goes to 320 BPM..................what one is it E19.gif

and as for The Legend of Max it doesn't even have a BPM on my machine! It just flickers the numbers around and never stays in one place! Is this supposed to happen? riiight.gif

I'm thinking my arcade has a bootleg disc...............awww............. E2.gif
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